Brett published a better piece today about what he calls the ‘crisis of neoreaction,’ which has been bubbling up in my comment section, in e-mails, and all around.
From the article:
People on an individual level respond more energetically to pleasant visions with an emotion (not factual) basis. Ideas like equality, freedom and pacifism appeal to all of us because they abrogate the struggle of life, which is Darwinism itself: the struggle to adapt. When civilization is founded, adaptation switches from reality to civilization itself, and with that, decay begins.
This does not mean that civilization is bad, but that it must be aware of these problems, much like we still use fire and internal combustion engines despite the possible dangers associated with them.
Liberalism succeeds because it creates fanaticism. The thought of what “should be” swells people with a sense of purpose, which appeals to the vast majority of humans who are — since we are speaking frankly — evolutionarily unfit for anything but subsistence living. Left to their own devices, they ferment the potatoes and eat the seed corn, then exist in perpetual alternation between apathy and starvation. Never forget our glorious simian heritage and the fact that most humans want to return to that state if they can.
The right has no such fanaticism. Its members merely want to adapt to reality and set up the best society they possibly can. This goal does not break down into issues, talking points or ideology. It is a gut-level instinct that incorporates as well the highest function of the brain, which is integrating and synthesizing many issues into a big picture.
Liberalism denies the big picture by replacing it with ideology and attacks the conservative majority on “issues” by looking for exceptions which are presumed to invalidate rules. The ultimate goal of liberalism is to abolish all social standards so that the individual is unconstrained by any accountability, and yet can still enjoy the benefits of civilization. It fails because liberals do not understand time and how over time, society changes with liberal alterations and what is left offers few of the benefits of civilization.
Conservatives create 18th century Europe; liberals create 2015 Brazil.
The left grew exponentially after 1789 despite constantly creating disasters, the two biggest of which are the Napoleonic era and the Bolshevik revolution. Where prosperous societies once stood, third world ruins remained. France went from being a superpower to a nobody and quickly fell into radical social decay, prompting in part the first world war. German intervention in WWII saved much of their society from utter confusion, if nothing else by giving them an enemy.
But as Evola observed, all of us in the post-war period are men among the ruins, because with WWII liberalism achieved its final victory over conservatism. In Europe, states became what we might call 60% liberal, in contrast to the 100% liberal of pure Communism in the Soviet Union. The United States, hovering at 50%, shot upward such that in the present day it hovers in the 90s somewhere.
Neoreaction rejects not only liberalism as politics but its social effects, comprised of the twin dragon-heads of Cultural Marxism and mass culture, as well. Where conservatism has traditionally tried to hold on to power, Neoreaction remains fond of the idea of “exit,” which originates in its post-libertarian theoretical roots.
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This leads to two suggestions: first, Neoreaction needs a goal, and second, it needs to start making hard decisions about what is relevant. Too many bloggers trying to differentiate themselves will come up with “unique” theories as a means of advertising themselves, and will create a fragmented philosophy that rapidly becomes internally inconsistent. This will attract opportunists, who will use the “radical” image of Neoreaction to pose and self-advertise — think of flowers offering up bright colors to bees, or the sexual display inherent in the plumage of tropical birds — while doing absolutely nothing.
Like a liberal society, Neoreaction will accumulate dependents because they make Neoreactionary writers famous.
To counter this, Neoreactionaries can regain control of their movement by keeping it on topic. This is a cultural rather than governmental approach, which means the best people must begin to take unpopular stances and exclude those who do not understand them. This includes telling many bloggers that their endless theorizing is calcification and decay rather than innovation.
I don’t mind most of the criticism, and think it’s generally correct. It’s what other people agitate me to do regularly, even when I’m short capacity to achieve most of those things.
I’ve generally not tried to portray myself as some sort of original thinker. Any original thought that comes out of me has happened by unintended consequence or some chance unique observation.
The part that I do mind is the bit about fame, which is an unavoidable byproduct of actually organizing people to achieve certain goals. Jesus had his apostles, followers, and divine powers, but the rest of us who are less holy than Jesus must use time, money, material, power, and energy to achieve our political ends.
Popularity and admiration are natural byproducts of success. It’s generally good to downplay them and shed the byproducts when it’s feasible, but such behaviors can’t be eliminated entirely.
You can’t succeed and also remain obscure. You cannot be a leader without followers. The fame ought not to be an end within itself, but a means to achieve a given end. Managing fame is a high cost activity (the cost actually starts at around $3-5,000 a month at the low end), and most people can’t and don’t want to handle the annoyance that comes with it. It’s a luxury habit, like a heroin addiction, unless it’s used as a means to a profitable end.
What I haven’t articulated directly is that some of Brett’s criticism to me seems to be that we ought to have divine powers, like Jesus, which would prevent us from having to get our hands dirty with the whole money and manipulation business, because sheer purity and disinterested practicality would carry the day. This may be my resentful misinterpretation of his criticism, but it’s my instinctive reaction nonetheless.
Although I respect Brett and have enjoyed his work, much like Moldbug, my thinking is deeply rooted in the works of the Austrian economists. The tension there should be predictable, because Ludwig von Mises made no effort to conceal his admiration for the revolutionaries of 1789. He’s called the ‘last knight of liberalism’ for a reason. And libertarianism is the Monty Python parody of the knights of liberalism’s broken round table.
This tension and near contradiction is also present in Moldbug’s work, which is what brought me from my former outlook to my current one. Brett is generally skeptical of capitalism as a means of organizing people, and tends to have a more of a mystic’s attitude towards what moves the human creature. I can appreciate it from an aesthetic point of view, even a symbolic one, without completely buying it from a practical perspective.
Brett writes:
Neoreaction can influence both libertarians and Tea Party style conservatives (70%) into adopting many of the Neoreactionary ideas as part of their own outlook.
…which is a perfectly fine goal; one I’m willing to compromise and cooperate on. It’s one we’ve made a fair amount of positive progress on, indeed on a shoestring budget, with no money at all, really, just gumption, effort, and magic persuasion powers.
It’s just a whole lot easier to achieve that goal without a lot of odd mystical hang-ups about the use of money and the art of politics. Having no magic powers, not being mythical aristocrats from outer space or the center of the earth, we must make do with the tangible tools at our disposal.
Alas, I only have blue eyes, but no blond hair. And when looking for practical advice on the use of power, my favored Italian adviser is Machiavelli, rather than the others.
This is not the first episode of this sort of disagreement, between the mystics who believe in magic, and the more mundane types who don’t. Jim already addressed it in greater detail, to a different article.
Hoping that the state will whither away or become obsolete is a hope shared by the communists and the more radical libertarians who, like Hoppe, logically deduce that there is only one moral form of government, which is anarcho-capitalism, so perhaps this confusion and conflation between the New Right and Neoreaction, to the extent that either are coherent concepts, was baked in from the beginning.
The other tension is between the continentals and the ocean-goers, which is setting up to be the next World War. The continentals have a certain outlook and desire that isn’t shared by the ‘Atlanticists.’ America’s unique geography makes it so that tension is also internal, with the conflict between the decadent coastal culture and the sick, besieged culture of the interior.
Without getting too obscure and intellectual, this conflict is healthy, normal, inevitable, and transcends ideological questions of left and right. It’s a practical question of statecraft which isn’t globally applicable.
It’s also a little odd for ‘traditionalists’ of a certain tradition which claims to be an ur-tradition to speak as if their tradition is universal, and then to berate rival traditions as being false rather than particular to a certain culture and geography.
So, for example, I get along much better with American and English traditionalists. Because that’s my background and ancestry. I can’t pretend to be a Spanish traditionalist, a Russian, or a German, because my roots aren’t there. Pretending otherwise would be pretentious and false.
When I went along the ‘sick journey’ with Moldbug, I assumed that I was also leaving behind my fantasy, which was fervently held, that the state and aggression could be done away with. The modern, popular nation-state is on the way out. That much is becoming obvious even in mainstream elite political thought. What will replace it will be either civilization lead by natural elites, or it’ll be barbarism.
I also generally agree with Brett’s criticism of the fantasy of ‘exit’ — I’ve modified some of my views in that area. He also describes the roots of the champagne socialist phenomenon quite well.
For that matter, it’s a good jumping off point for me to reiterate the goal that I made up for this website for this year: to investigate the passing of the grand tradition of higher education and to make some progress towards restoring it in a practical way for the people who read this. It’s also always been my approach to focus on the natural elites, and to disdain the others.
That means that I’m mostly looking to appeal to professionals, doctors, lawyers, and the occasional disaffected right-wing academic, small business person, engineer, and investor. I also especially want to get to know and appeal to parents of large families who are right-wing. I generally don’t care about young people or derelicts unless they’re ambitious, at least trying sincerely to be morally upright, and on the make.
Making direct appeals to the natural followers is pointless for this sort of cultural project.
I’ve never really tried to conceal that — rather the opposite — but it bears some restating in a way that can’t be misinterpreted.
Augustina says
“What will replace it will be either civilization lead by natural elites, or it’ll be barbarism.”
Don’t we already have a civilization led by natural elites? Western culture has been a sham democracy for a long time. We are run by an oligarchy of wealthy and powerful people. They control all the information flow and decision nodes.
We have a wealthy, powerful and cognitive elite that is mostly hereditary. The puzzling thing is they so hate what came before and refuse to learn the lessons of history. I don’t want to be led by them because I believe they are leading us off a cliff. So are we supposed to replace our current elite with a different batch of wealthy, smart and powerful people?
henrydampier says
Obviously wealth, smarts, and power aren’t the only things that matter.
Brett Stevens says
No, we really do not.
Natural elites are good at leadership.
We are currently led by merchants and flatterers.
Peter Blood says
For a nation that worships Mammon, what could be more natural?
Mark Citadel says
With all the dead babies, I thought they were worshiping Moloch.
henrydampier says
Demons like gold, but they prefer blood
The Practical Conservative says
What can you offer right wing parents of large familes? Their incomes are generally not in the highest tier, especially relative to family size, and are frequently lower-middle incomes. Both husband and wife are usually overworked for different reasons.
So what can you offer people with no leisure to consider your polemic so that they might be able to if you think your polemic is a means by which certain social changes might be effected rapidly?
henrydampier says
Would probably not be me. Also I doubt polemic would be helpful for them.
The Practical Conservative says
Then why do you want to get to know such people? Do you want to befriend them? Why did you mention desiring to appeal to them if you don’t think your polemic would be useful to them (in some context where they might encounter it)?
henrydampier says
Who said anything about polemic? Because their interests coincide with ours.
Brett Stevens says
Mr. Dampier, thank yoy for the thoughtful treatment, I have replied in kind over at the usual place.
Mark Minter says
There is always the possibility that you and all writers are in the entertainment business and offer creative works that appeal to a certain sort of person. There is this idea that politics is show business for ugly people. Neoreaction is show business for smart nerdy people without much “show”?
I used to make this statement over in the manosphere that it was disingenuous for any person to define what the manosphere was or what any dogma should be. I assumed it was a deliberative body whose content was provided by various people. And the worth of the idea and the mass that made its way into the collection of ideas that endured was a function of deliberation. But I have only been around the community for six months so I have still wondering if I am some entryist pig or not. But if I am, then not to worry because I have no followers to bring in behind me and take over.
My current opinion is that Neoreaction is providing the intellectual attack on progressives in a manner that other conservatives were unable to do. For years, progressives used modernity and science as a means to defeat tradition and religion. Now neoreaction, the manosphere, and other groups are accomplishing two majors things, (1) For men, it gives balls to its adherents and deprives men of the other side that defends progressive ideas any masculine legitimacy (2) It uses fact, data, newer studies to refute dogma of progressives and it does so in a rather humiliating manner. It makes shards out of long assumed ideas on which the legitimacy of liberal ideology.
While it may be debatable that anything is to be gained in the political arena, and I have doubts that may not be the case, what is written here does have an effect that can be described by Micheal Foucault. He writes of governmentality. And while there is what might be described as the outer forms of government, i.e. civil society, the culture, and the organs of the bureaucracy, there is this aspect of the inner government. That is comprised of the values, the teachings, the abstractions by which individuals act and govern their life. What writers in this community do, and particularly you, Henry, is enhance how we view as readers view our world, how we make sense of it, and how judge it.
I did find Mr Stevens essay entertaining. He did invoke the requisite Nietzsche and even better, Plato, to establish his bonafides. I did refer to Nietszche in another comment somewhere but I forgot the Plato.
But I am not sure exactly of what his prescription of what Neoreaction should do.
I think he said something about dying our hair blond. And then going out raping and pillaging. I already have the blond thing done and my Saturday night is open. So I guess I could tag along for the other two even though I am a bit out of practice. So where is the meet up to occur? And will he be leading the raid?
“Alright, Neoreaction. We’re gonna go over that hill and we are gonna rape all women and kill all the cattle!”
“And this time, get it right.”
henrydampier says
Rape and pillage are actually growth industries in the West. The UK seems to like it so much that it’s their acting policy. Here in the US, august publications like the New York Times, New Republic, and others are at least pro-pillage, but perhaps haven’t yet seen the upside of embracing the pro-rape position in full.
We’ve mostly staked out a pro-civilization point of view here, which would require crucifying the barbarians, taking all their things, and driving them from their lands. Obviously, we’re not quite at that point yet.
This is part of the tension between the more Nietzschean ‘new rightists’ and the others. They’re more enamored with the virtue of strength, downplaying all the others, drawing an aesthetic sensibility from that first. Brett is more sophisticated than most of the others (said with the intention of distinguishing him rather than flattering him for its own sake).
Augustina says
Do Americans have an aristocratic class, and if so, how would we recognize it? Aristocrats descend from a warrior elite as much as a cognitive elite. Are there any warriors out there hiding amongst all those emasculated decadent pansies?
B says
Plenty of warriors out there, but they’re victims of the educational system. They can’t think outside the framework. The ones that go past Fox News slide off into total gangster barbarity.
Dale Rooster says
Thank you, both Brett and Henry, for this debate. A small typo I believe: “…will be either civilization lead by natural…” (Should be “led,” no?) Also, Henry, what’s your critique of exit? Do you have an argument (against the strategy of Exit) you wrote to which you could link?
henrydampier says
Haven’t written one yet, but probably should. I think the core argument is fine. Obviously everything China has done here has put a lot of pressure on the US. The US has just degenerated, though, not reformed.
So really we (not people in NRx, but the broader right-leaning population) should be working to carve off some chunks of the US. This would not make Washington reform, but it would make it degenerate faster and save some of the continent besides.
neonshadowsblog says
Great post.
I was wondering if you could clarify some things.
What is the self-proclaimed ur-tradition you mention?
What are the distinctives of English and American traditionalism?
Does religion come under your critique of magic and mysticism? If not, why not?